May have been some BBC using a TH400, but no VSS, I don't remember, that. If someone has a no VSS Bin for one I'd appreciate a copy Grumpy > Weren't there some trucks in the late 80's that used a 747 and a 700R4 with a > non lockup converter and no speed sensor? I realize its not the same as a > manual but, were talking ballpark here. >