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Re: Question about WOT table in $8D bin

Well if you want to take a look at em, download the image of my chip and
look :)

It can be found in the custom bins section of my site, choose the 730 ECM
and download the third bin "stock.bin".
http://www.truspeed.dhs.org/bins.html

----- Original Message -----
From: "Romans, Mark" <romans@starstream.net>
To: <gmecm@diy-efi.org>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Question about WOT table in $8D bin


| So, how about posting the curves for the ZZ4?
| (Spark map and VE)
| What app was designed for the zz4?
| Mark
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "NRGZ28" <euro@lvcm.com>
| To: <gmecm@diy-efi.org>
| Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 11:48 AM
| Subject: Re: Question about WOT table in $8D bin
|
|
| > Stock curves suck...    I used the curves from a chip designed for a ZZ4
| and
| > I gained almost 4 tenths and 4 miles per hour in the 1/4 mile. Oh
well...
| I
| > guess I'll just play with I got. Thanx anyway
| >
| > p.s. it's Edmond by the way
| >
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: <timsiford@hushmail.com>
| > To: <gmecm@diy-efi.org>
| > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 11:10 AM
| > Subject: Re: Question about WOT table in $8D bin
| >
| >
| > | Edmund,
| > |
| > | Using my base curves would not be advised.  I recommend beginning with
a
| > | stock base curve.  Why you ask?  My MiniRam intake, AFR heads, bigger
| > exhaust,
| > |  and 112LSA make my VE curves significantly different from stock ...
| MUCH
| > | more so than yours.  Your curves will be more similar to the stock
| curves
| > | due to the intake style, the heads, and the exhaust that you are
| running.
| > |  Not just pulling a 'not sharing' on this one.  You REALLY will be
| closer
| > | to the stock curves than my curves.
| > |
| > | Tim
| > |
| > | At Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:07:07 -0800, "NRGZ28" <euro@lvcm.com> wrote:
| > |
| > | >
| > | >Tim, would you be so kind to show what your VE (ext) table values are
| > | >from
| > | >90-100 kpa ? I got the same cam as you and I'd to at least get a base
| > | >to
| > | >start from when I tune for WOT.
| > | >
| > | >----- Original Message -----
| > | >From: <timsiford@hushmail.com>
| > | >To: <gmecm@diy-efi.org>
| > | >Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 7:02 AM
| > | >Subject: Re: Question about WOT table in $8D bin
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >> Bob,
| > | >>
| > | >> Using the equation that you extracted from the ANHT hac and
plugging
| > | >in
| > | >> my values for 5600RPMs and 80deg C I get ...
| > | >> 6553.6 / ((149 + 58 + 128) * 445) / 256) = 11.25
| > | >>
| > | >> HOORAY!!!!  This is exactly what diacom reports for my setup in
this
| > | >range.
| > | >>  This is definitely the formula to utilize.  NEWBIE NOTE: the value
| > | >149
| > | >> was retrieved through a hex editor (Hex Workshop).  Simply using
the
| > | >values
| > | >> in TC will not work.
| > | >>
| > | >> Tim
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> At Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:46:00 -0500, rr <RRauscher@nni.com> wrote:
| > | >>
| > | >> >
| > | >> >
| > | >> >Umm, I just checked the anht hac, and I can't get the equation
| quoted
| > | >> >below to give me the same answers as the code.
| > | >> >
| > | >> >Using tables L860D & L8617 @ 80c & 6400rpm, I get an AFR of
| > | >> >11.6:1. Here is the equation using the raw bin values:
| > | >> >
| > | >> >WOT AFR = 6553.6 / ((TBL L8617 + TBL L860D + 128) * 445) / 256)
| > | >> >
| > | >> >w/vals:
| > | >> >
| > | >> >11.6 = 6553.6 / ((138 + 58 + 128) * 445) / 256)
| > | >> >
| > | >> >This is right from the hac and matches the code (I corrected the
| > | >one
| > | >> >table
| > | >> >address in the equation). What are the AFR's when using this
| equation?
| > | >> >
| > | >> >Thanks,
| > | >> >
| > | >> >BobR.
| > | >> >
| > | >> >
| > | >> >JN wrote:
| > | >> >
| > | >> >> Wow, in looking at my bin that was modified by a reputable tuner
| > | >originally,
| > | >> >> he has what I calc as a 14.12 AFR at 5200 and a 14.85 at 5600!
| > | > I
| > | >> >guess with
| > | >> >> the miniram I should fatten these up some.  Tim, what do you
have
| > | >> >for PE vs
| > | >> >> RPM.  Our motors are similar cams, intake and we both run 30
pound
| > | >> >injectors
| > | >> >> with a 33 pound injector constant.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> Jason
| > | >> >> ----- Original Message -----
| > | >> >> From: <timsiford@hushmail.com>
| > | >> >> To: <gmecm@diy-efi.org>
| > | >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:04 PM
| > | >> >> Subject: Re: Question about WOT table in $8D bin
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> > Bruce,
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > I don't think its as bad as what you are saying.  Please -
hear
| > | >> >me out.
| > | >> >> >  I said that the calculation shows that I am running 10.16
AFR.
| > | >> > This was
| > | >> >> > at 5600rpms and a coolant temp of 80deg C.  HOWEVER, the stock
| > | >AUJP
| > | >> >bin
| > | >> >> > has a PE modifier of 7.8 at 4000rpms in WOT %Change in AFR vs
| > | >RPM
| > | >> >and a
| > | >> >> > modifier of 22.7 in WOT %Change in AFR vs Coolant.  This
results
| > | >> >in a
| > | >> >> 10.22
| > | >> >> > AFR.
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > Now, I am NOT running 10.16 everywhere.  I just picked the
| highest
| > | >> >point
| > | >> >> > of the curve and reported that point.  I also picked the
highest
| > | >> >point of
| > | >> >> > the AUJP curve and reported that.  Again, the formula I am
using
| > | >> >is the
| > | >> >> > one previously supplied here on the list ....
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > ( 1  -  (( RPM Mod  +  Coolant Mod )  /  100 )  *  14.7
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > I am not concerned about the fueling.  I am close to 128 at
all
| > | >> >points
| > | >> >> when
| > | >> >> > driving.  I spent significant time on the VE curves.  The WOT
| > | >%Change
| > | >> >to
| > | >> >> > AFR tables are modified from stock ... but, no so much in the
| > | >levels
| > | >> >but
| > | >> >> > more as to the shape.  The MiniRam doesn't need as much fuel
| > | >at
| > | >> >4000RPMs
| > | >> >> > as compared to the TPI.  However, it does need more at
5600rpms.
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > Tim
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > At Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:28:20 -0500, "Bruce Plecan"
| > | ><nacelp@bright.net>
| > | >> >> wrote:
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > >
| > | >> >> > >
| > | >> >> > >IMO,
| > | >> >> > >Your running a diesel now.
| > | >> >> > >You have enough fuel that your CR is even up.
| > | >> >> > >At tear down the ring lands will be knocked out and you'll
need
| > | >> >pistons.
| > | >> >> > >Just about beat you have a 160d and within one heat range of
| > | >stock
| > | >> >plugs.
| > | >> >> > >The tip of the plug is acting like a glow plug for lighting
| > | >the
| > | >> >change.
| > | >> >> > >It kinda a typical thing when your at more fuel more timing
| > | >agenda
| > | >> >stuff,
| > | >> >> > >just some guys go that route wastes gas, and tough on parts
| > | >IMO.
| > | >> >> > >No telling what the heads will be like, if (oem) iron
probably
| > | >> >cracked
| > | >> >> > >between the seats.
| > | >> >> > >Also, will have more carbon to deal with and more likely to
| > | >burn
| > | >> >an
| > | >> >> > >exhuast
| > | >> >> > >valve.
| > | >> >> > >It's like doing a nitro tune but with gas, eats parts
| > | >> >> > >Bruce
| > | >> >> > >
| > | >> >> > >
| > | >> >> > >> >Just remember you said that <g>
| > | >> >> > >>
| > | >> >> > >> I'll remember Bruce <g>.  But, I'm not a fluke.  I've
talked
| > | >> >to several
| > | >> >> > >> other AFR190/MiniRam ownders that are running the same type
| > | >of
| > | >> >spark
| > | >> >> > >advance
| > | >> >> > >> (max).  Now sure about the Air/Fuel ratio they are running
| > | >though.
| > | >> >> > > Will
| > | >> >> > >> be pulling plugs soon to take a gander.
| > | >> >> > >>
| > | >> >> > >> Curious though .... I have a feeling that you think I'm
gonna
| > | >> >blow
| > | >> >> > >myself
| > | >> >> > >> up :-)  Can I pick your mind and ask why?  I know that I
will
| > | >> >> eventually
| > | >> >> > >> lose the bottom end ... but, I don't think that it will be
| > | >PROM
| > | >> >> related.
| > | >> >> > >>
| > | >> >> > >> Tim
| > | >> >
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